Wk#04 (2/7-2/11)

Chinese 307 |   三年中文: 從電影看中國文化的承傳與創新
 Through the Cinematic Lens: Old and New China in Film
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課程題目與目標 Lesson Topic & Goals:
Topic #1 家庭文化代溝/親子關係

Week #4 报告题目: Work on your essay
我们看了三部电影,请比较 (选一个)
a. 不同电影中的两个人物
或b. 不同电影的父子关系
或c. 不同电影中传统和现代的冲突
或d. (你自己选择的题目-用了比较的角度)

討論電影: 《洗澡》Shower (VHS; China, 1999); 《喜宴》Wedding Banquet (DVD; Taiwan, 1993);《和你在一起》Together (DVD; China, 2002)

Monday 2/7:__________________________________________________
1. 討論 Voicethread 錄音  (http://voicethread.com/share/1693527/). 喜宴 Correction Notes: Wedding Banquet Review Sheet(1)  to be posted.
2. 看同學研究心得- post at least two points in Chinese or in English(originally assigned as a gorup project; now post invividually and can be in English, also research topic not limited to The Wdding Banquet)
3. 看Week#03 功課:Post your topic and a short explanation (5 sentences)
4. Post your first paragraph (150-200 characters; no more than 250 characters) of your essay/presentation (TWO paragraphs total for Topic#1):
a. List key points;
b. Preparea a key word list;
c. Complete a first draft writing

HW to be completed before Wednesday’s class on 2/9:
1. Extra work for students: (Nitai, Taylor, Riccardo, Edmund, Colin)  The same questions (see below) can apply to The Wedding Banquet or Together. Please provide two examples from the movie to respond to Question a), and for Question b), explaine why you think this film is critically acclaimed.   
a. 這是一部以表现两代思想文化观念差异为题材的电影,对新旧两代做了一个比较。请你解释并举两个例子。
b. 这个电影曾经获得过国际大奖。你认为为什么得奖(graded)  See Shower Review Sheet(2)
2. Catch-up work: (post the following online, revise your first draft and repost)
a. 作文題目大意: Summary of your essay (5 sentences – originally assigned on Friday) your first paragraph
b. 作文: Revision 重寫第一段, 包括生詞表 (read Sun Laoshi’s review notes and classmate postings; include some new words in your revised essay; be sure to revise your vocabulary list accordingly; post your revised 1st paragraph under Week#04 Comments)
3. Start 2nd paragraph

HW to be completed before Friday’s class on 2/11:
1. Work on second and final pargraph (by Friday’s class): (150-200 characters; no more than 250 characters) of your essay/presentation (TWO paragraphs total for Topic#1)
a. List key points;
b. Preparea a key word list;
c. Complete a first draft writing by Wed., try to re-write, use

HW to be completed before Monday’s class on 2/14:
1. 阅读翻译:
a. 霸王别姬的故事是说楚汉相争时,西楚霸王项羽和刘邦为了争夺帝位,进行了长达十几年的战争。最后项羽在乌江兵败,自知大势已去,在突围前夕,不得不和他最心爱的虞姬决别,最后自刎身亡。
(View avideo clip of this traditional Beijing opera : http://boxview.net/video/LfIIxfLcN_c/京劇【霸王別姬】袁世海杜近芳(四))
2. “富连成”是一个按传统规程和习惯来培养京剧艺人的旧式科班,始创于清末民初,结束于二十世纪四十年代。学艺的学员出身梨园世家或来自苦寒人家。他们在严格管理和严酷到残酷的训练下,学习京剧。在几十年时间里,“富连成”科班以管吃管住、又打又骂、边学边演的独特方式,为中国京剧艺术培植了七百多名有很高表演技艺的演员;日后他们成为中国京剧的骨干力量乃至举世闻名的艺术家。
3. View Beijing Opera legend:Mei Lanfang: “The Drunken Beauty” Choreography Plates (1930)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWsDeOB23Q

背景閱讀資料 Background Reading for Topic #1:
a. The Wedding Banquet (1993) NY Times August 4, 1993 Review/Film: A Union of Convenience Across a Cultural Divide at <http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9F0CEFDB1431F937A3575BC0A965958260>.  

b. Ang Lee’s Signature Allegory in Eat, Drink, Man, Woman and The Wedding Banquet at 
<
http://www.stolaf.edu/depts/cis/wp/schloer/Web_Portfolio/classes/AS156.html>.

相關連接 Related Links:
a. UCSD Chinese Cinema Web-based Learning Center
b. 中文電影資料庫 Chinese Movie Database
c. Modern Chinese Literature and Culture, Media at OSU 

類似主題有關兩代文化的電影 Other films (in the UPS Library) about family & generational and cultural conflicts:
a. 推手Pushing Hands ( Taiwan, 1992)
b. 喜宴Wedding Banquet (Taiwan, 1993)
c. 飲食男女Eat Drink Man Woman (Taiwan, 1994)
d. 和你在一起Together (China, 2002)   – to be screened on Monday 1/31

Topic #1 (Weeks# 1-4) 22% of total class grade, roughly based on the following:
1. attendance and participation 20%
2. preparation 10%
3. in-class and after-class assignments 40%
4. project & presentation 30%

20 thoughts on “Wk#04 (2/7-2/11)

  1. Sun Laoshi corrected on 2/17

    中國傳統(move的here)家庭觀念(delete都包含了)(add是)父母(delete先)撫養孩子們(not成材but 長大成人)然後由兒子來照顧退了休的父母。在《洗澡》,大明(add代表)(delete不但)反抗(delete老劉的)傳統思想(add的新一代),他(delete)也對(add父親)老劉經營的澡堂子(not非常不滿意but沒有任何興趣)。 因此,大明去了深圳(delete來)(instead of開始use創造)他(add自己)的新生活,剩下傻弟弟在老劉身邊。多年来,大明都沒有盡到對家人的責任(delete是因為他沒有照顧過老劉和二明)。大明因誤會回家後,他(add才)開始真正接觸澡堂子和(add那兒的)老顧客,(move開始了解父親here)(add 經營澡堂的辛苦和用心)。同時,他也在老劉去世前得到他的諒解。(Add and finally took over the responsibility of take carking of his yojnger brother.)

    李安的《喜宴》透過(add有)傳統思想的爸爸跟(not現代use美國)化的偉同兩(not的but 個)角色來描述(add現代)中國父子的關係。 偉同(not體諒but 了解)傳統(delete到)(add對)他父母的(add重要),(add知道他們)很希望他(add儘早結婚)可以為高家(move後here)繼香燈,儘管(not她should be 他)對異性沒有興趣也繼續報名參加單(not人use身)會來滿足他的父母(add要他結婚的期望) 。為了不想讓他的父母失望,偉同想儘辦法來隱瞞他跟(move愛人here)賽門的關係。不僅如此,他(add還)舉辦了一個假婚禮來顧及他父母的面子。由此可見,偉同(move馴從父母的意見here)比大明孝順(delete得)多了(delete是因為他)。具有傳統觀念的高老爹到最後也接受了他兒子是同性戀的事實。可是為了面子也讓(delete他use 高家)可以抱孫子,他並沒有(delete把真相告知偉同)(add揭發真相)。

    《洗澡》和《喜宴》兩部影片(add中)(delete都分析了兩個)兒子對他們傳統的(add父親)(delete中國爸爸)(add有)不一樣的(not反應use態度)。雖然(delete每個人的看法)(add: both father-son relations) 都有(not分別use 困難和掙扎zheng1zha2),可是到最後,大家都得到對方的諒解和包容。

    Correction notes: I can follow your two paragraphs very well. Good use of long and complicated sentences, with many words at advanced level. Not all words were used correctly or appropriated in the context, as you will see in my corrections. I’d like you to add a short topic statement in the beginning, or simply move your last two sentences to the beginning. 

    (Revise vocabulary list accordingly.)
    觀念 (guan1nian4) – thought
    包含 (gan1han2) – to contain
    撫養 (fu3yan3) – to foster/raise
    成材 (cheng2cai2) – to be successful
    照顧 (zhao4gu4) – to take care of
    經營 (jing1ying2) – to run a business
    滿意 (man3yi4) – satisfaction
    剩下 (sheng4xia4) – left over
    盡到 (jin4dao4) – to accomplish
    責任 (ze2ren4) – responsibility
    誤會 (wu4hui4) – misunderstanding
    接觸 (jie1chu4) – to contact
    了解 (liao3jie3) – to understand
    去世 (qu4shi4) – to pass away
    諒解 (liang4jie3) – to understand
    透過 (tou4guo4) – via
    描述 (miao2shu4) – to describe
    體諒 (ti3liang4) – to show understanding
    繼後香燈 (ji4hou4xiang1deng1) – to continue the family name
    異性 (yi4xing4) – the opposite sex
    失望 (shi1wang4) – disappointment
    想儘 (xiang3jin3) – think to the greatest extent
    隱瞞 (yin3man2) – to hide
    舉辦 (ju3ban4) – to hold
    顧及 (gu4ji2) – to take into consideration
    馴從 (xun4cong2) – obedient
    具有 (ju4you3) – to have, possess
    接受 (jie1shou4) – to accept
    事實 (shi4shi2) – fact, truth
    告知 (gao4zhi1) – to inform
    真相 (zhen1xiang4) – the truth
    分析 (fen1xi2) – to analyze
    反應 (fan3ying4) – reaction
    包容 (bao1rong2) – tolerant, forgiving

    Earlier postings on Topic#1::

    Yú Měifāng 余美芳 said, on February 2nd, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    《喜宴》研究心得
    李安的電影原來是在說兩個中國,大陸和台灣,的問題和差別。影片的演員都是用來代表各種大陸和台灣衝突的角色。葳葳和偉同的婚禮就好像把兩個中國,台灣和中國,合起來,成為了一體。

    Yú Měifāng 余美芳 said, on February 5th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    報告題目:我想透過《洗澡》和《喜宴》裡的父子關係來談兒子們對爸爸不同的反應。大明比較反抗老劉的傳統思想而偉同想儘辦法來隱瞞他跟賽門的關係。不過到最後,每個人都開始諒解對方。

  2. Sun Laoshi noted corrected on 2/17

    Second draft:
    我的題目是比較(add《洗澡》和《和你在一起》兩部影片中的兩位父親:)高爸爸和劉成。我談的不是父子關係, 但是我(delete只)要看父親對兒子的態度(delete,use和)父親的(delete行為use期望和舉動ju3dong4)對兒子造成的影響。 高爸爸和劉成(move都希望兒子感到幸福here),(add他們)(move照顧here)(delete對)兒子(add的)的方法(delete都有)不同(delete,他們也)(add,but both fathers pressure their sons to seek “hapiness.”)。 高偉同(add的)父親希望他的兒子會娶個漂亮女人,尤其就是希望他們早生貴子。(Change this sentence to: 偉同知道父母要從台北飛到紐約的時候,就決定(add跟葳葳)(add假)結婚,(add in order to hide=yin3man2隱瞞 his relationship with Simon) 。高爸爸(delete他)跟偉同去散步,(add: displeased that his son did not have a wedding banquet), 但是什麼都沒說。他們的關係看起來(delete有)很緊張。(add: Despite his father;s silience, 偉同還是知道父親的心願xin1yuan4。) 劉成爭每個幫小春成功的機會,他(add 辛苦工作存了錢)帶兒子去北京,務(add必)(not使use 讓)小春跟最合格的小提琴老師(add學習)(delete。劉成)(add ,)期望小春成為最(move有名的here)(delete才能的)演奏(add家)(delete,也是)。(add: Xiao Chun knows the sacrafice his father has made for him but he does not follow the path his father has laid out for him.)

    (add a short topic statement here: suggestion – Both fathers never seem to have understood their sons’ wishes or given them a chance to pursue their own hapiness.)(delete某人的行為不一定告訴自己的態度。我們)觀眾以為高爸爸不知道偉同的結婚是假的,(delete然後use一直到)他對賽門透露他會說一點英文,聽得(wrong動should be懂)偉同賽門和莉莉的爭吵,(add才知道)(move here: 高爸爸其實裝蒜。)(add為了抱)孫子,(add: he is willing to accept Weitong’s fake wedding, hopes that the “fake play” would becone truth =假戲真做set phrase jia3xi4zhen1zuo4)。高爸爸給賽門生日紅包的時候,(delete高爸爸)(add就是象徵他)接受賽門是他的兒子。(delete同時,高爸爸自私得繼續裝蒜只因為他要孫子。)(add 但是)什麼時候他(add 才)愿意公開得接受偉同是同性戀(delete的use呢)?另外一個爸爸(add劉成)(delete不是裝蒜得,)反而(delete他use是)真的不了解他的兒子。小春賣(add了)小提琴(delete的時候),劉成(add真)生氣了。(add他)為了給小春每個機會(delete他)甘於犧牲(delete個人利益)(add自己)。劉成(add為了讓小春專心練琴參加比賽,願意離開兒子)(delete會)回家(add賺錢)(delete因為use 讓)小春跟余教授住在一起。可是劉成不了解小春的情感。其實,小春真的寧愿跟爸爸住在一起。(add It is Xiao Chun who finally realizes this and decides to return to his father. (Suggested conclusion: In the end, it was the son who provided the solution to the conflict, and was reunited with the father. )

    Correction notes: You have used complicated sentence patterns and lots of good vocabulary items. I can follow most of your points. I think the first paragraph is better argued than the 2nd. I provided some ideas (see English comments added in the text) for you to beef up your points.

    重要生詞:
    1。 行為 xing2wei2 behavior
    2。 造成 zao4cheng2 cause
    3。 影響 ying3xiang3 influence
    4。 尤其 you2qi2 especially
    5。 爭取 zheng1qu3 strive for
    6。 務使 wu4shi3 make sure; ensure
    7。 合格 he2ge2 qualified
    8。 某人 mou3ren2 somebody
    9。 透露 tou4lu4 disclose
    10。 爭吵 zheng1chao3 quarrel
    11。 自私 zi4si1 selfish
    12。 裝蒜 zhuang1suan4 feign ignorance
    13。 公開 gong1kai1 public
    14。 甘於 gan1yu2 be willing to
    15。 犧牲 xi1sheng1 sacrifice oneself
    16。 利益 li4yi4 benefit
    17。 情感 qing2gan3 feelings, emotions
    18。 寧愿 ning4yuan4 would rather

    Wèi Níngzhī 衛寧芝 said, on February 7th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    First draft:
    我的題目是比較高爸爸和劉成。我談的不是父子關係, 但是我要看父親對兒子的態度,父親的行為對兒子造成的影響。 高爸爸和劉成对兒子都有不同的照顧方法,他們也都希望兒子感到幸福。 高父希望他的兒子,偉同,會娶個漂亮女人,尤其就是希望他們早生貴子。偉同父母知道偉同決定結婚葳葳,為了參加婚禮他們從台北飛到紐約。高爸爸在紐約的時候,他跟偉同去散步,但是什麼都沒說。 劉成爭取每個幫小春成功的機會,他帶兒子去北京,務使小春跟最合格的小提琴老師。劉成期望小春成為最有才能的演奏,也是有名的。

    重要生詞:
    1。 行為 xing2wei2 attitude
    2。 爭取 zheng1qu3 strive for
    3。 務使 wu4shi3 make sure; ensure
    4。 合格 he2ge2 qualified

    Earlier postings on Topic#1:

    Wèi Níngzhī 衛寧芝 said, on February 7th, 2011 at 1:29 am

    報告題目:我的題目是比較高爸爸和劉成。我談的不是父子關係, 但是我要看父親對兒子的關係,他們的行為展示對兒子的態度。

    Wèi Níngzhī 衛寧芝 said, on February 7th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    陳凱歌的研究:

    http://www.chinaculture.org/gb/en_artqa/2003-09/24/content_38464.htm

  3. Sun Laoshi noted on 2/17, corrected on 2/20

    From: Edmund Chu Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:38 PM

    《洗澡》和《和你在一起》(delete是)(add這兩部)電影(add your comment from previous posting: 都描述到(miao2shu4dao4)新舊兩代文化的衝突,而且談到孝道(add在中國社會的重要)和年輕人對父母的責任。(add電影裡的)(delete有)兒子(add和)父親都努力理解(add對方)(delete他們的)。在《洗澡》大明代表(add有)現代思想(add的年輕一代),不(not會諒解use了解)他父親老劉(add家鄉)的(add傳統)習俗,也覺得老劉的澡堂太落伍。大明回家是因為他誤以為老劉生病,不是因為他想家。雖然老劉(add看起來)好像(add還)健康,大明決定(move停留here)幾天照顧他老父親和傻弟弟。(add就在這段日子裡),大明對他父親(add和澡堂)的態度(add改變了) (delete越來越好)。大明諒解他父親的(not意圖but 心意),(add所以)老劉去世以後,(add: he decided to take over the responsibility of taking care of his brother)。在《和你在一起》起先父子關係很好。小春和劉成很親密是因為他們都關心音樂,但是劉成的期望比較高,他們的理想也不一樣。劉成希望他的兒子成功也富有,可是小春只想拉小提琴。雖然他們吵架,最後小春對音樂的愛造成父親和兒子重聚。

    大明和小春都想達到父親的期望,可是他們的的態度不一樣。大明很疏遠父親。雖然他照顧他父親,他不願意留在家(not停add 繼承父業)。(delete另一方面,)(add而)小春覺得他父親是他最好的朋友。他們住在一起,彼此逗弄,惺惺相惜。可是因為劉成期望他兒子的音樂天賦可以(add成功)供養他們,所以小春覺得(add他)(add沒有選擇)被迫拉小提琴。大明和小春最後(add終於)發現(delete假should be 家庭)(add對他們)的重要性,決定應該孝順父母。很多(add中國)人熟悉這(delete個種)類故事,(delete也會)理解(add對)家庭忠誠(add的重要)和(add常常造成的)衝突。

    Your comments are well written, with very few corrections. Your points are clearly presented with good choice of words. You use some very advanced words and phrases well. After you revise it, we can see if it needs further revision.

    Paragraph 1 second draft:

    《洗澡》和《和你在一起》都是電影有兒子努力理解他們的父親,說年輕人對父母的責任。在《洗澡》大明代表現代思想,不會諒解他父親老劉的習俗,也覺得老劉的澡堂太落伍。大明回家是因為他誤以為老劉生病,不是因為他想家。雖然老劉好像健康,大明決定幾天停留照顧他老父親和傻弟弟。大明對他父親的態度越來越好,老劉去世以後,大明諒解他父親的意圖。在《和你在一起》起先父子關係很好。小春和劉成很親密是因為他們都關心音樂,但是劉成的期望比較高,他們的理想也不一樣。劉成希望他的兒子成功也富有,可是小春只想拉小提琴。雖然他們吵架,最後小春對音樂的愛造成父親和兒子重聚。

    思想 sī xiǎng: thoughts
    習俗 xí sú: customs
    落伍 luò wǔ: backward
    健康 jiàn kāng: healthy
    照顧 zhào gu: to look after
    意圖 yìtú: intention
    親密 qīn mì: close
    關心 guān xīn: care about
    期望 qī wàng: expectations
    理想 lǐ xiǎng: aspirations
    富有 fù yǒu: to be rich
    重聚 chóng jù: to reunite

    Other postings on Topic #2:
    Zhū Díwén 朱迪文 said, on February 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    《和你在一起》

    a.) 《和你在一起》是一部電影說新舊兩代文化的衝突,而且談到孝道。劉小春是小提琴家,他父親是普通的廚師,期望兒子能成功,可是小春有自己的希望。比如爸爸覺得他應該找北京的最有名的小提琴老師,所以他雇用一個新老師。可是小春不願意分開他現的老師江老師,因為小春覺得江老師是他好朋友和真幫的音樂家。這部電影也展覽家的重要性透過小春和劉成的和好。

    b.) 我覺得《和你在一起》成功是因為人物都好像是真的,也很有感情的劇情,結局也讓人感動。電影也談到很重要的題目,比如父子關係。這部電影的主題對中國人有重要性。

    Zhū Díwén 朱迪文 said, on February 6th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    題目:我想談到中國年青人對父母的責任,拿《洗澡》和《和你在一起》來說,大明照顧他的父親,而小春被父親照顧,但是他們都覺得應該達到父親的期望。我想比較這些人物,也解釋重要性。

  4. Sun Laoshi corrected on 2/17

    第一段(草稿)

    In Shower, the main difference between the Old Liu and Daming is their age, and how their experiences shaped their beliefs. Old Liu lived through the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward, so he knows the importance of having a job. In his time, bath water was very difficult to come by, so by surviving and building a bathhouse, he represents progress. Daming was raised in a time where individual freedom and economic enterprise was emphasized, so he thinks that owning a bathhouse amounts to having no ambition, but he takes for granted the fact that from his father’s point of view, a bathhouse is a form of enterprise because it makes a rare thing common, which is along the lines of the values of Daming’s generation.

    在《洗澡》(move大明和老刘here)(add的冲突)(not主点use主要)是年龄和阅历的(move差异here),(delete怎么)影响他们的看法。老刘(add那一代的人)(not活的use经历过)(delete整个)大跃进和文化大革命,因此他(not自觉毫无use了解 一无所有 妻离子散)的困境。在老刘的过去(add生活苦到 连even=lian2)洗澡水(add都= part of “llian…dou” pattenr)很难找;他的幸存,(add然后)建了澡堂(add就是)代表了社会进步。(wrong usage of反而instead use:而)大明长大的时候,个人自由跟经济(delete事业心use发展)是(not侧重use重要)的。他(not以为use认为)经营澡堂(delete就是合计)(add豪无)抱负。(delete this part:其实他认为错误的;他想当然他爸爸的看法,是因为从老刘的看法来说,澡堂把难找的东西让普通的。) (suggested ideas: go back to your topic comments. Both son and father are product of their own times and generations. No one is to be faulted. The conflict is finally resolved when Daming was given the opportunity to spend time with his father and young brother. Daming learned to slow down and start to appreciate the existence of the bathhouse, and was forgiven by his father.)

    年龄-nian2ling2-age
    阅历-yue4li4-experience
    整个-zheng3ge4-throughout
    大跃进-da4yue4jin3-Great Leap Forward
    文化大革命-wen2hua4 da4ge2ming4-Cultural Revolution
    自觉-zi4jue2-to be conscientious of
    毫无-hao2wu2-to have nothing
    困境-kun4jing4-strife
    幸存-xing4cun2-to survive
    进步-jin4bu4-progress
    事业心-shi4ye4xin1-initiative
    侧重-ce4zhong4-to emphasize
    合计-he2ji4-to amount to
    无抱负-wu2 bao4fu4-lacking ambition
    想当然-xiang3dang1ran2-to take for granted

    TúYuánBó 涂元博 said, on February 11th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    In Together, the father still practices traditional values and wants his son to succeed in order to provide for him in his old age. However, he is not as strict. Because he is from the countryside, he places greater importance on fame and fortune. Also, because he grew up during China’s economic reform and opening, he sees the importance of individual economic achievement. Xiao Chun has a very contemporary view of things after living in the city, and he realizes that his father might be living vicariously through him because he never had the opportunity for economic security.

    第二段
    在《和你在一起》刘成还是传统价值观念的追随者,希望小春成功(delete地,为了)供养刘成的晚年,但是他没有普通父亲严格。因刘成是从乡下(add来)的,他觉得名利是(delete更use 最)重要的(delete重点)。而(add且),他在改革开放的期间长大,他了解个人经济成就的重要性。(add: Liu Cheng wants his son to go to the city and pursue success. His son’s talent is the key to a secured life in the future. ) (add而)小春(delete般)到北京以后(add反而不愿意追求成功),(delete得到了当代的视角,了解)(add 他)也许(add认识到)他爸爸(add希望透过他的成功)(delete间接感受到的是因为他没有)(add来得到)经济(add上的)(not心安的机会use稳定wen3ding4)。(Add: In the end, Xiaochun chose to return back to the country side with his father becuase he realized that it was not economic security that would bring them happiness, but to be “together” with loved ones. )

    Correction comments: I like the choice of words you used in your essay and I could follow most of your points. I do think you need to further develop your arguments (see suggested comments in English).

    生词表
    价值观念-jia4zhi2 guan1nian4-values
    追随者-zhui1sui2zhe4-adherent
    供养-gong4yang3-to provide for
    严格-yan2ge2-strict
    乡下-xiang1xia4-countryside
    名利-ming2li4-fame and fortune
    改革开放-gai3ge2kai1fang4-reform and opening
    在。。。期间-zai4…qi1jian1-through
    得到-de2dao4-to gain
    视角-shi4jiao3-perspective
    间接感受-jian4jie1 gan3shou4-to live vicariously

    Earlier postings on Topic#1

    TúYuánBó 涂元博 said, on February 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    话题:对比父子关系,用《洗澡》跟《和你在一起》
    话题摘要:拿两部影片来看,父子关系表达得对立面。在《洗澡》两个人物都是成年的人,代表了代购的差异,从父亲的视角。在《和你在一起》,关系是不同的,因为父亲从农村,和父亲长大的时候,中国经受巨大的文化,经济演变。

    TúYuánBó 涂元博 said, on February 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    《喜宴》研究心得
    http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_film_and_video/v060/60.1leung.html
    文章论性的压抑/隐私;“正常”家庭的文化重要性。
    http://aas.stanford.edu/journal/lo08.htm
    文章论李安多样的长大,背景导致亚洲人跟美国人的对比描绘,特别(add是)(not胃痛should be 伟同)。

  5. Sun Laoshi corrected on 2/17

    父母總是希望孩子們有最好的前途; 總是希望給孩子最好的機會。(add:電影)《和我在一起》(add中),小春的爸爸(add就)希望給他最好的機會, (add: helped him find the best violin teacher)。(delete覺得最好的機會是拉小提琴)。他覺得幸福來自出名和有錢; (to help Xiao Chun obtain happiness, he has to take Xiaochun to the big city and even leave him there by himself with the teacher)。(not因為use Even though 儘管jin3guan3)小春是一個(delete小)孩子,他(not沒should be 不)(add太)知道什麼對他是最好的機會。(add: suggested comments – After he spent some time in Beijing, he seemed to have become even more lost in his fascination with the city life and a pretty woman LiLi.)(add: He took lessons from two different teachers, and was offered the opportunity to attend an International competition.) (add 可是)到了最後,小春(add:終於zhong1yu2)(not實現should be發現)拉小提琴不是最重要的,(add和)他的爸爸(add在一起)是。

    总是 zǒngshì- always
    前途 qiántú- prospects / future outlook / journey
    机会 jīhuì opportunity
    幸福 xìngfú blessed / happiness / happy
    出名 chūmíng well-known for
    实现 shíxiàn to achieve / to implement / to realize

    Huáng Yùlián 黃玉蓮 said, on February 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    在《喜宴》,偉同的爸爸覺得幸福來自婚姻和(not有use生)孩子。偉同的爸爸覺得偉同一定要(add跟)(move一位中國女孩here)結婚,所以他對他的爸爸(add說)(謊言is a noun)。為了(add: to hide his relationship with and to help them)保存面子,偉同(add跟)(move葳葳here)(add假)結婚。雖然偉同的爸爸(delete希望給他最好的機會instead: knew his son and Simon were lovers),他很想要一個孫子, (add所以)(delete。他知道偉同不應該)(add他也對大家說)謊言,(delete,但是他)讓(add: the fake marraige continue).
    有時候,我們的父母想孩子們有最好的前途,也有時候他們有自己的意向。在《喜宴》,偉同爸爸的(add願望)(not只instead 就)是希望(not搖籃use抱)他的孫子。在《和我在一起》,小春的爸爸也許只要賺錢。(add但是)不管(add父母有)什麼意向,偉同和小春一定要尊重他們。(add在)中國文化(add傳統裡)(delete說)孩子們必須聽爸媽(的話)。

    Correction Comments: Good easy flow; I can follow your points. However, I think some of the sentences and ideas seem to be repetitive. Look carefully at the corrections and some suggestion comments you can use to add to your essay.

    总是 zǒngshì- always
    前途 qiántú- prospects / future outlook / journey
    机会 jīhuì opportunity
    幸福 xìngfú blessed / happiness / happy
    出名 chūmíng well-known for
    实现 shíxiàn to achieve / to implement / to realize
    谎言 huǎngyán to lie
    想要 xiǎngyào to want to
    孙子 sūnzi grandson
    意向 yìxiàng intention
    摇篮 yáolán cradle
    也许 yěxǔ perhaps / maybe
    赚钱 zhuànqián to earn money
    尊重 zūnzhòng to esteem / to respect
    必须 bìxū to have to / must

    Other postings on Topic#1:
    Huáng Yùlián 黃玉蓮 said, on February 6th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    我的題目:我們大家都知道爸媽知道什麼是最好的。 我想比較《和我一起》和《喜宴》的爸爸。 他們兩個都覺得他們知道什麼是對他們的兒子最好的。在《喜宴》偉同不同意他的爸爸。在《和我一起》,小春(?) 不明白為什麼拉小提琴是很重要的。我想談談這兩個爸爸的意向。

    Sun Laoshi noted:
    我們大家都知道爸媽知道什麼是最好的。 = 父母總是希望孩子們有最好的前途; 總是希望給孩子最好的機會。…….

    Huáng Yùlián 黃玉蓮 said, on February 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    《喜宴》研究心得
    李安的電影原來比較兩個國家,大陸和台灣的問題。

    他用影片的演員來代表一些問題之間老一輩和新一代。

    其最大特色是以華人特有的伦理观点来处理同性恋问题。

  6. Sun Laoshi noted on 2/17, corrected on 2/20.

    ________________________________________
    From: Nitai L Deitel
    Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:48 PM

    (delete那三部电影)“洗澡”,“ 喜宴”,“和你在一起”(move三部电影here)都在(delete说比较疏远的)(add描述miao2shu4)父子关系; (add有的比较疏远; 有的比较亲密)。高偉同和大明都有一个障碍阻止他们跟父亲有更好的关系。他们都有很多共同点是因为他们都离开了自己的老家寻找发展的机会。他们住的离父亲很远,所以他们没有机会经常探访父亲。高偉同的父子关系非常(add令人)困惑是因为他从来没告诉他的父亲他是同性恋(delete的)。(delete他们的关系不太直情)(add虽然么他们)仍然彼此关心对方,但是他们(add都没说真话)。(not另一方面,use而)大明(add远住他地)从来没介绍他的妻子给他的父亲认识。(add: Daming did not see the value of the bath house as important as he father’s generation does.) 那两个关系比较密切的人物,小春和二明,都代表了中国传统的价值观。小春和他的爸爸看起来像兄弟是因为他们总是在一起。二明和他的父亲有也非常密切的关系,因为他们都互相照顾。

    I did not change very much your first paragraph. Your point is very clearly presented with good and appropriate choice of words. I will work on the follow-2nd paragrapg on Monday 2/21. and give you more feedback.
    Sun Laoshi corrected on 2/22.

    (add偉同大明跟父亲的关系和小春二明跟父亲的关系不一样。)这两种不同类型的儿子都尊重他们的父亲,但是一种是现代(add社会中常见的,而另一种是传统(add社会)的父子关系。我们可以(not使用but 从)这些电影来了解中国当前的文化代沟。许多青年都(add在)(delete被迫)(add遵守)孝道和追求(delete自己的)梦想之间(add挣扎) – great commment。(delete做一个)目前(delete决定)中国正在辩论是否应该要求孩子们定期拜访他们的父母。这场辩论体现了(中国社会)现代化的问题。比方说越来越多(not儿童but 孩子)都没有(delete孝顺爸爸妈妈instead use 尽到孝道还有,孩子们长大之后不但没有留在家来照顾父母反而把父母留在养老院。
    Great 2nd paragraph. Well said and good points. You just need a cocluding sentence to tie in the characters in the film with you last statement.

    困惑 kùnhuò confused
    荣誉 róngyù honor
    直情径行zhíqíngjìngxíng straightforward and honest
    鸿沟 hónggōu gulf / chasm
    定期 dìngqī regularly

    Dài Níngtáii戴寧台 said, on February 6th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    我要分析和比较不同电影的父子关系。 在“喜宴”Wei Tung 跟她的爸爸的关系有点儿远因为他们都有自己的秘密。在“和你在一起”小春和他的爸爸有非常密切的关系。他们看起来兄弟因为他们总是在一起。“洗澡”的兄弟表达了相似的方面,比方说二明和他的爸爸的关系跟小春差不多一样因为他们也不可分离。大 明跟Wei Tung很相似因为他们父子关系比较远因为他们没有花很多的时间与他们的父亲。这三部电影透过,我们可以理解不同负责关系的方式。

    1.“和你在一起” 这部电影描绘的中国新旧代文化观念的冲突。这部电影讨论中国的最严重的问题,农民从农村迁移到大城市。城市化反映了在社会阶层作为对比,比方说小春和刘成的北京经验。在大部分的大城市存在两个不同的平行世界,有一个现代的根富丽堂皇的建筑物对比传统的宅院 和胡同。虽然这个方面跟年龄没有关系,那两个老师有不同的小提琴教学方法。余老师表现中国传统和严格的教学法与江老师表现现代的教学法,而且他们的房子也描绘了北京的鲜明差异。
    2.我觉得这部电影得奖是因为透过两位主角的经验描绘现代中国社会内部的冲突。许多农民正在从农村搬到大城市搜索机会,成功,和并履行自己的梦想。这部电影也很流行是因为有美丽的音乐,以及父亲和儿子之间的关系很有力和感动的。

  7. yin3 man2 隱瞞to hide from
    yao4 mianzi 要面子 to keep face/honor
    bao3cun2 mian4zi 保存面子 to preserve face/honor
    shuo1po4le = shuo1 chuan1le 說破了 = 說穿了 to break the secret; to tell the truth
    huang3yan2謊言 lie
    kua4wen2hua4 跨文化cross-cutlrual

  8. Sun Laoshi noted on 2/17, corrected on 2/18

    Fu YiMing said, on February 6th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    我(delete的题目标是instead use要)比较三部电影(add中)的父亲儿子的关系,(not用use从)儿子的角度(add来)谈谈爸爸儿子关系,谈谈(delete怎么)不同年龄的儿子有不同(add的)梦想,不同(add的)人生目标,不同感谢父母的方式。《喜宴》(delete的爸爸非常聪明,)(add里的)儿子担心父亲的身体,(add: so he hid the truth from his parents.)(Even though he is gay, he feels obligated to respect his father’s wishes.)(delete可)他决定不管他是(add不是)同性恋都要给爸爸(add生)一个孙子。《和你在一起》的(move儿子here)(add知道)爸爸(delete对的use为了找最好的)小提琴老师花了很多(wrong浅should be 钱)(add和心血xin1xue3),所以(delete儿子)感谢爸爸的方式(add就)是多多学(add习)会成名。这样长大以后就不用爸爸(add那么辛苦地)照顾他(add了)。(add而在)《澡堂》(delete的爸爸)儿子起先不是很关(delete关于use 关心)父亲,(add: but later after he spent some time at the bath house, he gets to know his father better.)父亲死了以后儿子感谢爸爸(move最好here)的方式(add就)是照顾弟弟。(add也)就实现了(add: his father’s wish)。

    关系-relationship
    角度-perspective
    梦想-dream
    人生目标-life goals
    担心-to be worried about
    同性恋-homosexual
    孙子-grand son
    小提琴-violin
    成名-to become famous
    起先-at first
    关于-to respect
    实现-to realize

    Correction notes:You have a great topic sentence and started really well in your first paragraph. I made changes to better support your main point which is to discuss the father-son relationship from the son’s perspective. I did not correct your “2nd paragraph” below on Wedding Banquet, as I don’t see how it is connected with your main point in your 1st paragraph. You should further develop the point made in your 1st paragraph. Please work on your second paragraph and post it ASAP, no later than Sunday, so I can provide feedback before the assignment is due on Monday. Email me if you need further help.

    The movie “The Wedding Banquet” is created to introduce the westeners to the chinese culture in a time when in the United States the largest ethnic group that brought its culture along, other than the white people, were the jews. Hence the name “wedding banquet” because that, together with the stronger cultural feature of the need to keep the family name with a grandson, were ways to introduce the americans to the back then “new” wave of immigrants from China. (New York Times, “The Wedding Banquet” movie review)

    《喜宴》是为了把一些中国文化的特色给美国人介绍拍的。特别是因为那个时间出了白人以外另一个民族把他们自己的文化带去美国是犹太人,所以美国人还没有机会接触。电影最重要的角色不是同性恋的事情而且婚宴和保育姓,这两个对中国人来说代表中国文化的最重要的支柱,因此电影叫《喜宴》。要给美国人介绍是因为那些年的一代是去美国的第一个从中国来的移民潮。

    民族-ethnic group
    犹太人-Jews
    接触-to be in contact with
    婚宴-wedding ceremony
    保育-conserve
    代表-represent
    支柱-pillar
    因此-hence
    移民潮-immigration wave

    Other postings on Topic#1:
    on February 8th, 2011 at 11:36 pm Sumitted by Yiming on 2/8 via email:

    Wedding Banquet Notes:
    主角高偉同 伟同是一个台湾人去美国做房地产生意。他是同性恋和一个美国医生一起住,但是不想让爸爸妈妈知道。

    愛人賽門 赛门是一个美国医生。他是伟同的爱人,他会说一点儿中文。他也出了让伟同与威威来一次假的“结婚”的主意。

    中國來的女畫家葳葳 伟同是葳葳的房东.到最后他和伟同结婚了也怀孕伟同的孩子。

    偉同的父親 伟同的爸爸非常聪明,大家都以为他身体不太好所以伟同和他妈妈都不要让他知道伟同是个同性恋,原来他什么都明白了!

    偉同的母親 妈妈没有那么聪明,她一直都想找一个方式“修复”她儿子。

    Together Notes:
    刘小春:小春弹小提琴得非常好。他父亲只要确保小春成名

    刘成:小春的爸爸。他是一个厨师把他的全部有的钱为了去北京的旅行被花了。都是因为对他儿子的爱

    音乐老师江老师:江老师起先对小春没有那么好,他觉得小春弹小提琴弹的好够了但是他没办法成名

    音乐教授余教授:余教授比江老师有经验,他是一直都把学生成名,一直都帮他们在音乐会演出。

    余太太: 余太太不是电影的一个重要的角色,事实上他一共只有几分钟当场。

    余教授学生小提琴演奏家汤融: 他是一个已经成名了的小提琴学生,但是对余老师他没有那么好

    余教授的另外一个学生林雨: 这个女孩一直都跟小春竞争,他们两个都是很好弹小提琴的孩子,但是只有一个可以参加音乐会比赛。

    莉莉: 莉莉是一个 有很多男朋友的美女,小春爱上了她一半是因为她很漂亮一半是因为小春没有妈妈。莉莉对小春是一个姐姐。

    莉莉男友: 莉莉的男朋友对她不好。他有很多美女对他都非常服从的,但是莉莉不是一个,她不要向男孩门提交。

  9. Sun Laoshi noted on 2/17, corrected on 2/18
    白春晖 Bái Chūnhūi said, on February 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    第一段 First Revision

    张扬拍的《洗澡》,李安拍的《喜宴》,陈凯歌拍的《和你在一起》都(not有use 谈到)很有意思的父子关系。这三部电影也(delete有add描述=miao2shu4)新旧两代的冲突。那么,这三部电影的父子关系和新旧两代的冲突有什么关系?第一部电影,张扬拍的《洗澡》(add中有)三个最重要的人物:大明,他的弟弟二明和他们的爸爸。 大明跟他的爸爸的冲突(add主要是因为)(delete从)大明南下工作(delete来)(add后),(add很少联系lian2xi4),(add跟)(not他们use家人)疏远了。 (add Daming is the eldest son in the family but he did not fulfill his responsibility as a son to take care of his aging father and disbaled brother. )(delete现在他有一个很现代的生活方式,对他的父亲和弟弟的呢比较快的。)现在他们跟大明的关系冷淡(delete的), (and also Old Liu does not understand and forgive Daming.)。(delete那,)(add而在)《喜宴》(delete的人物)伟同跟他的父亲(add有)(delete的)紧绷的关系就是因为伟同还没结婚(delete了),还没有(instead of儿子say让父母抱孙子)。(delete伟同对他父亲比较现代的,和)他们的关系(add看起来不错,其实)也是冷淡的。(add这)是因为(delete他是)伟同(add must hide from his parents 得隐瞒着父母)(add他是)同性恋(delete者)跟爱人赛门(add住在一起)。《喜宴》最大的冲突(add就是)从这个秘密(add来的)。陈凯歌拍的《和你在一起》呢? 小春跟他爸爸和得来,(cannot use和to join sentences)小春的爸爸对他(add非常)关心,(delete因为她爸爸)支持他对(add小)提琴的酷爱(add和天份)。《和你在一起》最(not清楚use明显)的冲突(add是)从小春的(not生涯use学琴过程)(add来的)。(add小春爸爸好不容易)(delete因为)在北京找(delete找use到的)(delete一个真)(add最)好的提琴老师,(add可是)(delete为)小春(add并不觉得对他来说是最好的)(delete是很难的)。

    生词:
    紧绷 jin3beng1 strained or distant
    生活方式 sheng1huo2fang4shi1 lifestyle
    酷爱 ku4’ai4 passion or love for something
    生涯 sheng1ya2 ‘career’
    冷淡 leng3dan4 cold or distant
    疏远 shu1yun4 to drift apart or become estranged
    和得来 he2delai2 to get along well with, to be compatible with
    关心 guan1xin1 to care for someone or something
    清楚qing1chu3 clear or distinct

    Feb 11, 2011 at 13:36
    第二段 First Draft

    其实(delete说,)这三部电影(add就)代表中国和台湾的文化变迁。现代(not主义use化的社会)对传统文化(add的态度)改变了,(delete更代use对)家庭价值(not管should be 观)(add也有不同的看法)。这三部电影的父子关系都代表这个变迁,但(delete哪)两部最(add有)代表(add性)的是《洗澡》和《喜宴》。这两部电影(delete是一个真亲密)(add都针对)跨文化差别(add做了详细的)的分析。对《洗澡》来说,那个跨文化的冲突(add就)是(add因为)(delete跟)(not久should be旧)(add一)代(大明和二明的爸爸的那一代)和新一代(大明的那一代)(add有不同的价值观)。(add在)《喜宴》(delete呢use里),(delete看起来)(add也)有(delete些)一样的(add对比):伟同的美国生活方式代表新(add一)代,(not却use而)伟同的父母的传统价值观代表(not久should be旧)(add一)代。那么,陈凯歌拍的《和你在一起》呢?小春和他爸爸的生活方式代表一个农村的,传统的(not代use价值观),(not却use而)当他们去北京找(delete找)一(not口提琴but小提琴)老师的时候,(add见认到了)代表新一代(add的价值观)。这三部电影(add里)(add描述)的父子关系(add就)(add反映出fan3ying4chu)(add现代中国社会中代沟dai4gou1的问题)和跨代的冲突(delete对电影的孩子的影响)。

    生词:
    文化变迁wénhuà biànqiān – cultural change
    变迁biànqiān – changes; vicissitudes
    家庭价值管jiātíngjiàzhíguǎn – family values
    价值管jiàzhíguǎn – values
    亲密qīnmì – close; intimate
    跨文化kuàwénhuà – cross-/intercultural
    分析fēnxī – to analyze; analysis
    看起来kànqǐlái – seemingly; apparently
    代表dàibiǎo – representative; to represent
    却 què – but; yet; however

    Please revise your vocabulary list accordingly.

    Correction Notes: You have presented a well-sturctured arguement and I am impressed by your ability to express your points, and the level of sophistication in your sentences. There are a few usage problems; please go over the corrections carefully. I added some suggested comments in the first paragraph to develop your points a bit fuller.

    Earlier postings about Topic #1:
    on February 7th, 2011 at 2:40 pm edit

    第一段:

    张扬拍的《洗澡》,李安拍的《喜宴》,陈凯歌拍的《和你在一起》都有很有意思的父子关系。这三部电影也有新旧两代的冲突。那么,这三部电影的父子关系和新旧两代的冲突有什么关系?第一部电影,张扬拍的《洗澡》三个最重要的人物大明,他的弟弟二明,和他们的爸爸的冲突从大明南下工作来。 现在他有一个很现代的生活方式,对她的父亲和弟弟的呢比较快的。那,《喜宴》的人物伟同跟他的父亲的紧绷的关系就是因为伟同还没结婚了,还没有儿子。伟同对他父亲比较现代的,因为他是同性恋者跟赛门是爱人,《喜宴》的冲突从这歌秘密。陈凯歌拍的《和你在一起》呢? 小春跟他爸爸有一个真正的关系,因为她爸爸支持他对提琴有酷爱。《和你在一起》的冲突从小春的生涯,因为在北京找找一个真好的提琴老师为小春是很难的。这个问题跟小春和他的爸爸的父子关系没有关系。

    生词:
    紧绷 jin3beng1 strained or distant
    生活方式 sheng1huo2fang4shi1 lifestyle
    酷爱 ku4’ai4 passion or love for something
    生涯 sheng1ya2 ‘career’

    春晖 Bái Chūnhūi said, on February 16th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    a. 這是一部以表现两代思想文化观念差异为题材的电影,对新旧两代做了一个比较。请你解释并举两个例子。

    对李安拍的《喜宴》来说,最好两个例子是:
    -伟同跟赛门,葳葳决定了他们应该在一起照顾葳葳和伟同的孩子。这个决定表达新代的价值观,对伟同的父母的厚望比较现代的。
    -伟同的父母要伟同和他的新太太有一个儿子,要她是真恭敬的,要她穿传统的衣服,要伟同和葳葳有一个传统的婚礼。他们的希望代表更传统的,久代的价值观。

    对陈凯歌拍的《和你在一起》来说,最好两个例子是:
    -小春的爸爸要他儿子望子成龙:要找到一个非常好的提琴老师为小春,要小春被称了一个提琴高手。小春爸爸的希望代表现代的中国父母的希望,表到新代化。
    -小春跟他爸爸的农村生活方式代表一个比较传统的生活方式。比如说,电影里很多人告诉小春和他爸爸是因为他们是农村的,他们不可能明白现代北京化。

    b. 陈凯歌执导的电影《和你在一起》曾经获得过国际电影节最佳故事片以及最佳导演奖两项国际大奖。你认为这个电影为什么得奖。

    我觉得陈凯歌执导的电影《和你在一起》得奖了很多大奖因为陈凯歌关系的了解是政真的。陈凯歌写照小春和他爸爸的关系对观众感到感情,不管观众不能说汉语,不管观众不知道中国文化。

    我觉得李安拍的《喜宴》可能得奖了很多的大奖因为透过这部电影李安表达他的新旧两代冲突的了解。《喜宴》人物的问题还是现代的问题,中国/台湾人还得面对这些问题。

  10. Sun Laoshi noted on 2/17, to be corrected on 2/18

    耕林 said, on February 9th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    我要比较一下(add《》for movie names)《洗澡》和《喜宴》。两个电影都显示新旧两代冲突。起先两个爸爸都对他们的儿子不满意。(add但)(delete通过一起度过(add一段)时间逐渐开始互相了解。后来,爸爸(delete们add都)改变他们的想法也谅解他们的儿子。
    在《洗澡》(add里的儿子)大明住在深圳,(delete深圳)离他的(add老)家很远。作为一个(add现代中国)年轻人,大明觉得赚钱非常重要。他(add以为父亲过世)回家的时候,起先他的爸爸(add老刘)(add好)象(add很)冷漠也(not一点should be 有点)生气, (add: because Daming has not been contact with them for a long time)。(delete爸爸说,“你)(add老刘认为大明)回家(add就)只(add是以为父亲)(delete看我)已经死了。(delete”)他(wrong usage-delete深深的)要家(not庭use人)一起住, (add: also hopes that his elder son can take care of him and the younger brother who is developmentally challenged.) 后来大明留在爸爸的澡堂一些天,(add: he learns to understand the imporatnce of his father’s business and his family.) 。(add一天)老刘,大明和儿明一起泡水。在这一刻老刘看起来恬愉之安,(add: 居然就这么死了)。他去世(delete,同)时(delete有)(add带着)笑容(add应该是因为)他想到大明会照顾(not儿should be 二)明(add的),(delete然后)(add所以它可以安心走了)。
    在(add《喜宴》)(add这部电影)有(add谈到)一些差不多一样(add的)题目。伟同,(add也)住在(add离)家很远(add的地方)。自从到美国(not的时候should be 以后), 他跟父母(add就)疏远(add了)。他们经常通信,可是他们有不同的观念和(not目标use 想法)。父母要他很快结婚然后(instead of有use生)孩子。伟同(instead of 不同意。use不敢告诉父母)他是同性恋。他跟(add爱人)(not塞们but赛门)同住(move五年after the verb),可是伟同(delete还没告诉他的父母)(add: knews that his parents’s traditional view would not accept this.)。(Add: Weitong tried to hide the fact, so he faked his marraige with Weiwei.) (Add: use 没想到…居然Pattern– He didn’t expect that Weiwei actually got pregnant.) 尽管伟同从来没(not告诉他们instead use 说出真相),但是爸爸已经知道也谅解(add他)。(delete他只要孩子)(add: The parents had their grand child; Weiwei was happy to become a mother, and Weitong and Simon are back together.) 这样大家(add都)高兴,(add: 故事有一个快乐的结局)。
    Revise your vocabulary list according:
    显示 =xian shi
    一刻 = yi ke
    恬愉之安 = tian yu zhi an

    Correction Notes: You have a good topic comment that links the two movies together but you need to elaborate on your explanation. You will see that I suggested you add some further comments. There are some very good words in your essay, and your points came out clear. I think you need to add a concluding statment. It does not have to be long, maybe just two or three sentences, or even one long sentence, to summarize the differences and/or similarities in these two movies.

    Posted on Feb 11, 2011 @ 13:39
    I am not sure how this paragraph would fit in. You should revise the above paragraphs and then decide if you still want to incorporate the following into your essay.)中国有很多传统。比如说婚礼的传统还是家庭的传统。在中国人的心目中家庭是最重要的事。现在中国有独生子女政策,这个策略创造特别的情况。孩子小的时候有父母也祖父母照顾他。可是孩子长大以后得照顾所有的父母,这样给孩子非常大的负担。因如此很多年轻人觉得赚钱最重要。同时他们的父母要孩子留在家。婚礼也有新旧两代冲突。前辈认为婚礼因该一个男一个女。再加上父母常常帮助孩子找一个爱人。目前年轻人喜欢自己找到一个爱人,这个现象是当红。

    Earlier postings on Topic#1:
    耕林 said, on February 7th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    我要看一下洗澡和喜宴的比较。两个电影都显示新旧两代冲突。起先爸爸对儿子的选择不满意(man3yi4)。通过一起度过时间逐渐开始互相了解。后来,爸爸改变他们的想法也谅解他们的儿子。
    在洗澡,大明ming2住在深圳。深圳离他的家很远。为一个年轻人,大名上了大学。目前他是商人。他回家的时候,起先他的爸爸象很远也一点生气。爸爸说,“你回家只看我已经死了。”他深深的要家庭一起住。这样大名可以帮他爸爸照顾儿名。后来大名留在爸爸的澡堂一些天。老刘,大名和儿名一起泡水。在这一刻老刘看起来恬愉之安。他想到大名会照顾儿名,然后他去世,同时有笑容。
    在喜宴有一些方面差不多一样。为同,住在家很远。十年以前,他离开家去美国。自从到美国的时候, 他跟父母疏远。他们经常通信,可是他们有不同的观念和目标。父母要他很快结婚然后有孩子。为同不同意。他不喜欢怒生这样,他是同志连。他爱simon,他们五年同住。为同还没对他的父母说到这个情况。所以,父母来美国的时候很复杂。尽管为同从来没告诉他们,但是爸爸知道也谅解。他只要孩子,这样大家高兴。

    显示 =xian shi
    一刻 = yi ke
    恬愉之安 = tian yu zhi an

    耕林 said, on February 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    我选择B,父子关系。我要看一下洗澡和喜宴的比较。两个电影都显示新旧两代冲突。起先爸爸对儿子的选择不满足。通过一起度过时间逐渐开始互相了解。后来,爸爸改变他们的想法也谅解他们的儿子。

  11. 他的父母不太傳統,不但不要抱孫子,反而他們告訴他不必結婚

  12. Di2wen2
    Yuan4bo2

    高爸爸知道偉同是同性戀, 不但不生氣, 他反而接受偉同的男朋友賽門.

    江老師看起來不再有用的, 大家都沒想到他很才能.

  13. Yiming and Chunhui

    “反而”句子:

    1) 不但伟同要婚礼以后跟赛门见面,而且他不走,反而他跟葳葳上床了。
    2) 不但他很他的太太,反而他还被欺负了。
    3) 不但他会说汉语,反而他怕跟中国人聊天。

  14. 我們覺得它可馬是很無聊和臭,沒想到它可馬居然選票美國最浪漫的城市

  15. “反而”句子:
    1)伟同要婚礼以后跟赛门见面,他不但没走,反而跟葳葳上床了。
    2)他是个大男人,他不但不打太太,反而还被他太太欺负了。
    3)他会说汉语,不但不跟中国人聊天,反而只说英文。
    4)他的父母不太傳統,不但不要抱孫子, 反而他們告訴他不必結婚。
    5)高爸爸知道偉同是同性戀, 不但不生氣, 他反而接受偉同的男朋友賽門。
    “沒想到”句子:
    江老師看起來不太有用的, 大家都沒想到他很有音樂才能。
    我們覺得塔可瑪是很無聊也很臭的城市,沒想到居然高票選上美國最浪漫的城市。

  16. Sun Laoshi noted on 2/17, corrected on 2/19.

    在(add《》)《喜宴》和《和你在一起》這兩個由李安(add和陳凱歌)執導的電影(add中),(add都)有很多(delete的)(instead of有關use 關於)新一代和老一代兩代(add之間)衝突的主題。兩部電影(move的衝突here)(delete顯示)(add主要描述)爸爸和兒子之間(add的關係)。(delete在兩部電影)(add兩個)爸爸(add都)是很傳統的,(add但是)(delete也有)兒子在不同的(add時代)和文化(add下)長大所以(delete爸爸和兒子沒有最好的關係因為)他們並不了解對方,(add有溝通上的問題)。[I think you should delete the follow:在(add《》)《喜宴》和《和你在一起》(add裡的)(move爸爸here)看起來(add好像)(not沒有shoudl be不)(instead of 愛use關心)兒子(add的感覺),其實兩個父親(add都)太愛自己的兒子,所以(add為了)幫他們成功,(delete他們use父親)想控制兒子的生活。]

    執導 zhídǎo-to direct
    主題 zhǔtí-theme
    衝突 chōngtū-conflict
    顯示 xiǎnshì-to show
    關係 guānxì-relation
    了解 liǎojiě-to understand
    控制 kòngzhì-control
    成功 chénggōng-to succeed

    在《喜宴》裡,高偉同的爸爸去紐約看兒子(not和use並)參加他的假的(not結婚should be婚禮)。偉同(add為了讓他爸爸開心)所以(add假裝jia3zhuang1)他(delete可以打扮像)(add是)傳統(add的男人)(delete改變自己),其實偉同(not時should be 是)同性戀(delete者可是他不像承認除了親密的朋友)。偉同最後還是沒有告訴他的父親他的秘密,(delete因為)他(add怕)(delete覺得)爸爸不會接受他。偉同的爸爸其實知道(delete了真麼說和)理解英語也知道他的兒子(delete是同性戀者)(add的愛人是賽門)。那為什麼他假裝不知道,(not和use又)讓(not他use偉同)(delete去完成所有的)(add那麼)麻煩(delete和)(add去)痛苦(delete有add地)假(delete的)結婚?起初我以為是因為爸爸想(delete操縱有use抱)孫子。可是我越想(delete,我use越)覺得(add是)(delete爸爸想幫兒子有)(add一個)面子(add的問題)。

    假的 jiǎde-fake
    改變 gǎibiàn-to change
    打扮 dǎban-to dress (to pretend)
    同性戀者 tóngxìngliànzhě-homosexual
    承認 chéngrèn-to admit
    親密 qīnmì-intimate/ close (friends)
    接受 jiēshòu-to accept
    理解 lǐjiě-to comprehend
    起初 qǐchū -originally
    操縱 cāozòng-to control

    我覺得偉同的爸爸想保護他的兒子,不讓他被嘲笑。(add他知道)(delete因為)其他中國人可能不接受他兒子是同性戀。用假的結婚,偉同的爸爸想避開輕蔑然後幫兒子建立一個(add正常的)(not圖像should be形象)給別人看。這樣,結婚後偉同可以回到他的秘密的生活。很多中國人(delete有孔子和)傳統的值(add值觀),所以不會接受同性戀。他們覺得同性戀(add的)人不能(not有use生)小孩子。所以,偉同的爸爸主動(not有use要求)婚禮。(delete因為)他認為這是幫他兒子最好的方法(delete的形象)。

    嘲笑 cháoxiào-mocked
    避開 bìkāi-to avoid
    輕蔑 qīngmiè- contempt
    建立 jiànlì-to establish
    圖像 túxiàng-image

    在《和你在一起》小春的爸爸不希望小春像他(add一樣)是窮人(not和use過)艱苦的生活,所以他要給他兒子最好(add的機會)成為眾所周知的(add小提琴家),(add讓)兒子的生活會更好。(delete the following:他爸爸想控制他兒子的生活所以他的未來會比較好。他父親希望小春有最好的所以他改變小春的小提琴教師。小春的父親求余教授因為余教授可以幫名。他爸爸,爸爸。雖然他的父親好像他不聽他的兒子想什麼我可以看他的爸爸非常愛他的兒子。他爸爸只的所以他覺得他可以控制他兒子的生活和幫他兒子更好。)(add: suggested comments: While the father was seeking the best violin teacher everywhere in Beijing, he overlooked (=hu1lue4) what Xiaochun really needed in his life, to be together with his loved ones. He rebelled (=fan3pan4 ta1de ba4ba) by selling his violin and following the beautiful Lili around. At the end, Xiaochun finally realized that Prof. Yu would not be the one to help him become a better musician. His father would be the one. He left the opportunity to play at an International competition and returned to be with his father.)
    求qiú-to seek
    眾所周知 zhòngsuǒzhōuzhī-as everyone knows (idiom)
    著名 zhùmíng-famous
    艱苦 jiānkǔ-difficult
    You have provided a well-argued anaysis of the Wedding Banquet, with good choice of vocabularies. It could be more concise but the essay reads well. Keep the length. You need to work on revising the last paragraph on Together. I added some commments for you to consider adding. I deleted quite a few lines there becuase I think they are repetitive, and do not offer any new points.
    Earlier Postings on Topics#1:
    陳郁君 said, on February 9th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Continue with Paragraph 1

    With a fake wedding, his dad wanted to keep away scorn by building an image for his son so that after the wedding, he could go back to his secret life. Many Asian people with Confucius or traditional views cannot accept a gay son who can’t produce offspring to pass down the family name. Therefore, his father takes initiative and goes on with the wedding because he believes it is the best thing for his son’s image.

    我覺得偉同的爸爸想保護他的兒子,不讓他被嘲笑cháoxiào因為其他中國人可能不接受他兒子是同性戀。用假的結婚,偉同的爸爸想避開bìkāi輕蔑qīngmiè然後幫兒子建立jiànlì 一個圖像給別人看。這樣,結婚後偉同可以回到他的秘密的生活。很多中國人有孔子和傳統的值zhi2 value,所以不會接受同性戀。他們覺得同性戀人不能有小孩子。所以,偉同的爸爸主動有婚禮因為他認為這是最好的方法幫他兒子的形象。

    chenyujun said, on February 4th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Wedding Banquet Reflection
    喜宴(xi1 yan4) 的反思(fan3 si1)

    a. 我覺得在喜宴的電影,偉同(wei3 tong2)跟他的爸爸的關係有一點兒緊張(jǐnzhāng)和不誠實(cheng2 shi2)。偉同沒有跟他的父母講他是同性戀者(tong2 xi4 lian4 zhe3)因為他只想讓他的父母高興。因為他的父母很傳統(chuan2 tong3),他認為他們不會接受(jie1 shou4)他如果(ru2 guo3) 他告訴他們真相(zhen1 xiang4)。他的父母來看他之前,偉同改變(gai3 bian4)他的家。他把他的家看起來很傳統,不是像現代。我覺得這個家庭沒有好好的溝通(gou1tong1),所以有問題。
    b. 這個電影有得獎應為有爭議性(zheng1yi4xi4)的主題(zhu3 ti2)。有同性戀者的主題,有偉同跟美國的男人約會,也有不同的文化差異。這都是很難的主題(zhǔtí),有人不會在公開(gōngkāi-public)談論tan2 lun4 這些主題,可是這部電影有。

    chenyujun said, on February 4th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Wedding Banquet Reflection
    喜宴(xi1 yan4) 的反思(fan3 si1)

    a. 我覺得在喜宴的電影,偉同(wei3 tong2)跟他的爸爸的關係有一點兒緊張(jǐnzhāng)和不誠實(cheng2 shi2)。偉同沒有跟他的父母講他是同性戀者(tong2 xi4 lian4 zhe3)因為他只想讓他的父母高興。因為他的父母很傳統(chuan2 tong3),他認為他們不會接受(jie1 shou4)他如果(ru2 guo3) 他告訴他們真相(zhen1 xiang4)。他的父母來看他之前,偉同改變(gai3 bian4)他的家。他把他的家看起來很傳統,不是像現代。我覺得這個家庭沒有好好的溝通(gou1tong1),所以有問題。
    b. 這個電影有得獎應為有爭議性(zheng1yi4xi4)的主題(zhu3 ti2)。有同性戀者的主題,有偉同跟美國的男人約會,也有不同的文化差異。這都是很難的主題(zhǔtí),有人不會在公開(gōngkāi-public)談論tan2 lun4 這些主題,可是這部電影有。

    陳郁君 said, on February 5th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    Ang Lee’s Films: Eat, Drink, Man, Woman and The Wedding Banquet and Pushing Hands

    – I think there are so many relevance to Chinese parents who are traditional and their relationships with their children growing up in either the U.S or modern days
    -It is interesting to see that Americans are viewed as immoral and that they can lead “proper” Chinese children astray-from “The Wedding Banquet”
    -There is so much struggle between the balance of being a good/ respectful child to parents in the modern day children
    -It is hard to get accepted by parents who hold Confucius ideals
    -Lee’s movies are hold a lot of meaning about the relationship of growing themes for the modern day conflicts and symbolizing them with China and politics in some way

    陳郁君 said, on February 5th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Topic #1: English rough draft-first post

    -I want to look at the two different ways the fathers love their child in the movies “Wedding Banquet” and “Together With You”
    -both dads want the best for their son-The dad in “Wedding Banquet” wants his son to be accepted and save face so therefore, doesn’t want people to know that his son is gay; in “Together With You,” the dad wants his son to be successful to get a better life than he had, therefore he pushes him towards working hard to gain fame
    -in both dads, they are similar in the fact that they try to put their son in their best interest and push them towards what they want to be
    -but in the end, the fathers know that they should step back to let their child do what they need to do to be happy

    陳郁君 said, on February 5th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Rough Draft- not done yet with two sources

    http://ent.sina.com.cn/m/2006-07-21/15101166878.html
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/theweddingbanquetnrrosenfeld_a09e55.htm

    In the movies by Ang Lee Wedding Banquet and Together with You, there are many symbolisms and themes about the new generation in conflict with the old generation. In both movies, there is the conflict of the different generations of the father and son. In both movies, the father, the traditional man who holds Confucius ideals, deals with their son who is growing up in a different culture than his father.

    在喜宴和和你在一起兩這個由李安執導zhi2 dao3的電影,有很多的新一代和老一代的主題有關兩代的衝突。兩部電影顯示xian3 shi4爸爸和兒子之間的衝突。在兩部電影爸爸是很傳統chuan2 tong3的也有兒子在不同的文化長大所以爸爸和兒子沒有最好的關係guan1 xi1,因為他們並不了解jie3對方。在喜宴和和你在一起 看起來爸爸沒有愛他的兒子,其實兩個父親太愛自己的兒子所以他們想控制kong4 zhi4兒子的生活,幫他們成功。

    In Wedding Banquet, Wei Tong’s dad visits him in New York to attend his fake wedding. Wei Tong changes himself to disguise himself as more traditional to make his dad happy. In actuality, Wei Tong is gay but does not want to admit it to anyone other than his close friends. Wei Tong, till the end, does not openly tell his dad that he is gay because he does not think he will approve. Wei Tong’s dad actually knows how to speak and understand English and knew that his son was gay. So why did he make his son go through all the trouble and agony of having a fake wedding? At first, I thought that it was because the dad just wanted to manipulate his son in getting a grandchild. But the more I think about it, I think his father wanted to help his child in saving face.
    在喜宴裡,高偉同的爸爸去紐約看兒子和參加他的假的結婚.偉同改變gǎibiàn自己所以他可以打扮像傳統,讓他爸爸開心.其實偉同時同性戀者可是他不像承認除了親密的朋友.偉同最後還是沒有告訴他的父親他的秘密因為他覺得爸爸不會接受他.偉同的爸爸其實知道真麼說和理解英語也知道他的兒子是同性戀者.那為什麼他假裝不知道和讓他去完成所有的麻煩和痛苦有假的結婚?起初我以為是因為爸爸想操縱有孫子.可是我越想,我覺得爸爸想幫兒子有面子.

    I think that Wei Tong’s dad wanted to protect his son from ridicule from other Asian people who may not accept his son’s situation. With a fake wedding, his dad wanted to keep away scorn by building an image for his son so that after the wedding, he could go back to his secret life. Many Asian people with Confucius or traditional views cannot accept a gay son who can’t produce offspring to pass down the family name. With the image of having a wife and a child, then Wei Tong doesn’t have to be worried of disgracing the whole family because although Wei Tong is gay, he also tries to please everyone. Therefore, his father takes initiative and goes on with the wedding because he believes it is the best thing for his son’s image.

  17. Sun Laoshi checked.

    1. 阅读翻译:

    a. 霸王别姬的故事是说楚汉相争时,西楚霸王项羽和刘邦为了争夺帝位,进行了长达十几年的战争。最后项羽在乌江兵败,自知大势已去,在突围前夕,不得不和他最心爱的虞姬决别,最后自刎身亡。

    Farewell My Concubine tells the story of the conflict between the vying Han and Chu nations, the Western Chu hegemon Xiangyu and Liubang fight for the title of Emperor, carrying out the 10-year war. Finally, Xiangyu was defeated at the Wu river, and knowing the situation was hopeless, the day before the siege was broken, Xiangyu had no choice but to commit suicide with his most beloved concubine Yuji, slitting their throats.

  18. Sun Laoshi checked.

    《和你在一起》人物笔记

     
    刘小春:孤儿的小提琴天才。常常对大城市受不了。

    刘成:小春的爸爸。是从乡下来的。简朴的。希望小春当成功得。

    音乐老师江老师:好像不再有用的,其实非常有才能的。在过去,是音乐学元的教授。

    音乐教授余教授:格外才能得学生的教授。觉得音乐的激情比个人成功重要。

    余太太: 帮住在余家里的学生。

    余教授学生小提琴演奏家汤融: 才能的小提琴演奏家。没有激情。

    余教授的另外一个学生林雨: 肖春的“竞争对手”首先,没有激情,最终输比赛让她生气,激情,所以她允许演奏。

    莉莉: 大方的人,但孤独的。照顾小春。

    莉莉男友:有钱的人。

  19. 我要比较三部电影中的父亲儿子的关系,从儿子的角度来谈谈爸爸儿子关系,谈谈不同年龄的儿子有不同的梦想,不同的人生目标,不同感谢父母的方式。《和你在一起》的儿子知道爸爸为了找最好的小提琴老师花了很多钱和心血,所以儿子感谢爸爸的方式就是多多学习会成名。这样长大以后就不用爸爸那么辛苦地照顾他了。而在《澡堂》儿子起先不是很关关心父亲,可是在澡堂花那么多时间之后就跟父亲相处得很好。父亲死了以后儿子感谢爸爸最好的方式就是照顾弟弟。也就实现了父母心愿。

    《喜宴》是为了把一些中国文化的特色给美国人介绍拍的。特别是因为那个时间出了白人以外另一个民族把他们自己的文化带去美国是犹太人,所以美国人还没有机会接触。《喜宴》里的儿子担心父亲的身体,所以他瞒了他父母。纵然他同性恋,他觉得有责任尊重父亲的意愿。他决定不管他是不是同性恋都要给爸爸生一个孙子。电影最重要的角色不是同性恋的事情而且婚宴和保育姓,这两个对中国人来说代表中国文化的最重要的支柱,因此电影叫《喜宴》。要给美国人介绍是因为那些年的一代是去美国的第一个从中国来的移民潮。

  20. Sun Laoshi checked.

    Make Up Work
    a. 這是一部以表现两代思想文化观念差异为题材的电影,对新旧两代做了一个比较。请你解释并举两个例子。
    – 《喜宴》無疑顯示了新舊之間的比較新的。
    – 在《喜宴》,偉同代表新一代和偉同的爸爸代表老一輩。
    – 在《和我一起》,小春代表新一代和他的爸爸代表老一輩。
    – 小春覺得城市生活和女人是重要的,但是他的爸爸覺得工作保障和錢是重要的。
    b. 
这个电影曾经获得过国际大奖。你认为为什么得奖?
    – 這兩部電影很有意思的。
    – 令人信服的演員

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